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July 30, 2009

Semi-Idiotic Rifle Laws
Posted by Adam Blickstein

The recent raid on a domestic terrorist group in North Carolina has been notable for a number of reasons. But Jeff Stein digs into the story deeper, discussing intriguing incongruities in his purported participation in the Afghan war against the USSR. But Stein also notes another more disconcerting fact from the case:

...Yet all the assault weapons were acquired in the last two years, evidently, for something.

And there's no law against acquiring such an arsenal in a short time - unless you're a convicted felon - even in these post-9/11 years of homeland security fright. Not even records are kept for the feds.

"That's correct," said Drew Wade, a spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). "There's no federal statute prohibiting that."

So, what were there assault weapons?

Bushmaster M4 A3 16-inch patrolman's rifle
Rugi Mini 14-inch long gun
Mossburg ATA 100 .270 caliber rifle and Llama Commanche III .357 revolver
Century Arms AK Sporter 7.62 x 39 rifle
Ruger Mini 30 7.62 x 39 rifle
SAGA .308 rifle
Century Arms Polish Tantal 5.45 x 39 rifle
Century Arms C91 .308 rifle
Century Arms M70B1 7.62 x 34 rifle
Ruger mini 14 5.56 rifle and Smith & Wesson  M15 .223 rifle

I'm not a gun expert, but I don't think you need all those guns for hunting deer. But it seems to me that while we've restricted nearly everything in the post 9-11 world, from civil rights to bringing shampoo on airplanes while distilling the threat of an attack to a rainbow of fear, all in the name of anti-terror action, we are still enslaved by our gun culture. In fact, the Bush administration, while drumming up threats of briefcase nukes and bombs in malls, loosened, not restricted, the sale and dissemination of firearms. Seems a little incongruous to smart anti-terror policy, one which anyone can amass a small arsenal of deadly arms with little to no attention from the feds. And while President Obama has pledged to reinstate the assault weapons ban, and there is some action in Senate to do this, the NRA still dictates our anti-terror policies in this regard.  This should be a wake-up call that it is time to fill this massive hole in our approach to terrorism, domestic or otherwise, and not a moment to contemplate allowing gun owners to carry concealed weapons (or a Bushmaster M4) across state lines

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The presence of extremism in America is neither new nor surprising, but the sensationalism of "assault weapons" is a cop out in the discussion of counter-terrorism. Each of those listed weapon types were available before the assault weapons ban, be it as a cosmetically modified variant or the pre-ban variant paid at a 75-100% premium. Short of banning all semi-automatics retroactively, Obama's ban would be as ineffective as the last one. The accumulation of these weapons would be no more troubling than if he had accumulated an assortment of hunting rifles (aka sniper rifles). This is a distraction at best, and no more of a threat than the once a year spree killer.

What does deer hunting have to do with anything?

And it's already perfectly legal to carry a shotgun or rifle—Bushmaster or otherwise—across state lines.

Funny:
You spend half this article rightfully decrying the overreaching and utterly useless legislation that Dubya passed to "protect us from terrorists".... And then promptly demand more.

Dude worried about explosive shoes on a plane? Odviously a paranoid conservative, he should get a life and stop demanding that the gov search all our shoes.

Guy worried that the jazz musician in Coach has a bushmaster in his tuba case? I guess that'd be you.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to dart across state lines and buy about a hundred pounds of explosives. They sell 'em in brightly colored roadside stands, especially around the forth of July.

It is correct that you are not a gun expert. Seven of those rifles and handguns are legal for hunting deer in my home state. More would be legal in states without caliber restrictions for big game.

I'm with curtis. Consistency of thought seems to be your personal bugbear.

About half of those rifles don't even exist. You got the names and descriptions wrong.

I also love how you bitch and moan about security theater in airports and then immediately complain that they don't serve your favorite brand of security theater in gun stores.

Gun control is just symbolic nonsense that never worked. All ever it did was inconvenience law abiding gun owners. I grew up in NYC and all the gun laws have ever done there is make it impossible for people to defend themselves against the heavily armed criminals.

I find the title of your site, Democracy Arsenal, to be very ironic in light of your call for eliminating democracy's arsenal.

Always interesting when latte crowd discovers the underlying facts of life of this country and then proceeds to wet their pants. Get out into the parts of the country where there is little to no expectation that government will take care of everything. The 2nd Amendment is about the right to own firearms for the credible threat they present to those who might consider force in taking our rights away. That is the literal "democracy arsenal". It is not about shooting deer, as delicious as they might be.

One of the problems in your article is that half those rifles don't exist - at least not by the name or configuration you listed.

Oops.

Well, you got 1 thing right... You're no gun expert...

It's not about hunting!!!! For God's sake, think man. It's about self defense, fool.

semi-idiotic.... I'm confused, is that the author?

Can you please point out ONE SINGLE "loosening" of the "dissemination of firearms" under the Bush administration that was INITIALIZED BY Bush?

Have you perhaps looked at Israel's "anti-terror" policy , which essentially is the acceptance of that pesky ol' second amendment to the constitution that has cut down on small arms attacks and resulted in lunatics strapping explosives to themselves (something they'd have a hard time getting here without the .gov checking for polyps while looking around their body cavities) in order to kill themselves and take as many people with them as possible while limiting border crossings. While they do have to deal with other types of attacks, such as rockets, we aren't as vulnerable to such types of terrorist actions. Unless we upset Canada or the corrupt state to the south of Texas.

As other commenters said, deer hunting has nothing to do with it.

With that being said, these are more than suitable for deer hunting:

Mossburg ATA 100 .270 caliber rifle
Llama Commanche III .357 revolver
Century Arms AK Sporter 7.62 x 39 rifle
Ruger Mini 30 7.62 x 39 rifle
SAGA .308 rifle
Century Arms C91 .308 rifle
Century Arms M70B1 7.62 x 34 rifle

Many hunter would argue these are also suitable, and indeed they used:

Bushmaster M4 A3 16-inch patrolman's rifle
Ruger mini 14 5.56 rifle
Smith & Wesson M15 .223 rifle

In fact the only one not suitable for deer hunting is the:

Century Arms Polish Tantal 5.45 x 39 rifle

But only because suitable ammunition is not currently available.

Also, most of those were **never ever** classed as Assault Weapons.

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The unconcealed weapon was legal under New Hampshire law and he was not Self restraint would not appear to be the hallmark of any idiot carrying.

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